The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. We are all human and perfect accuracy is beyond all of us. If others want to do this I am sympathetic but have mixed feelings about the effect of that. [And now you]. How did we get to this point? Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. If you feel I have offended you in some way and you want to respond, then I will continue until you feel satisfied. Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. Add to Cart. I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. [8] By 1930, Ferry was growing most of its seed in California, and the two firms had complementary businesses. That is pretty depressing. One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? This is so sad. 0000492971 00000 n Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. No more Miracle Grow for anyone then, not even sneaking a quick shot of it! If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. I used to read it a lot when they first became a magazine. I'm simply saying that I don't trust Monsanto. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. California now has the same disease. That is a really bad combination. A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. Ferry-Morse 60MG Zinnia Cut & Come Again Annual Flower Seeds (1 Pack)- Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. If Monsanto buys the mortgage to a house you live in one day, I wouldn't hold it against you and I would still respect any of my friends, because I like my friends and I don't have to like who owns the house they sleep and breed in :-). Model # 629382.1220.199.9086. 2. rareseeds Also known as Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds, rareseeds is a company offering some of the more rare heirloom varieties out there. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. Ferry Morse Seeds & Spores - Walmart PDF Monsanto's Seed Company Subsidiaries - Food & Water Watch It then gets called a documentary. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. I stick to the few seed companies, who I think take avoiding their seed pretty seriously. My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. No shipping on orders over $30. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. - Do you realize that the dictionary definition to call someone out is to challenge someone to a fight? This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. You call this a debate and I object to the use of that term. You dont even know the reason why Monsanto is buying so many seed companies. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. 0000011681 00000 n Negative: tablerocktina (4 reviews) On Aug 6, 2012, tablerocktina Fountain Inn, SC (Zone 8a) wrote: . Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. HWnW^aw0Dc`ECS>,Q9U3CJ yTw-yW^~vw_[)sX7yX&^\}-]N {yZ*~>|\f&G[C$zr=^^~g/V_o{q{u@0/3~+!g/q}}yy}u}wW1tPZ:1xHx'5D2C(qq|?D__BO=__{s2HH^CBm+~j-gaoKs'Y(Oq 1DV&9l"&NMetY&U jHek9~)o,*SDHecls|Vb d{9|E K+ H?WZbAP r ^`ry\m8evl&>g'QE9=0xTYJ!jp# Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it.". And I don't think Monsanto will own these forever, the way they go, not very long at all since it is such an insignificant business to them. I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. . It was established in 1896 by Dr. Albert Edward McKenzie, and claims to supply 60% of Canada's packet seed market. I buy native plants and grow organically. There are smaller seed companies out there trying to get established just as the seed industry is consolidating. I have already answered this at least twice. I expect the same good faith from you.. For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. One is a technology and one is a company and equating them continuiously stymies critical thinking by fusing them together. And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? Livingston improved tomatoes by making them more flavorful by selecting and growing out plants with the best characteristics. But because I dont know you, and because you continue to state your intentions are good, I choose to believe that you dont understand how adding this kind of analysis to the conversation becomes a problem. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. 1. The title of the list is bogus. The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. As to me labeling you, no, absolutely not. I have to stop here, I havent even been able to read the comments made after Pupillas. What is the best place to buy seeds online? - Mystylit.com We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. The 8 Best Online Garden Stores of 2023 - Bob Vila You are free to say whatever you want and I don't complain or label what you say as a "campaign slogan" or "hollow" which is not respectful. I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. Continually defending and explaining myself. Ferry-Morse - Flower Seeds - Plant Seeds - The Home Depot And I believe I have already explained other reasons for why I avoid GMO seeds and Monsanto which you evidently don't accept. Find My Store. The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. 0000020325 00000 n I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. You repeat your reasons for participating in the conversation like a campaign slogan but in the face of the way you participate, it rings a little hollow to me. I'd also like a list of commercial farmers who are using Monsanto's GMO seed and the products that they end up in so I can avoid those products. 0000014051 00000 n Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. 0000001396 00000 n Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. I don't expect that me avoiding buying their products is really going to put a dent in their bottom line, but I still don't like giving them my money. :-)". I asked you to clarify what you meant. 0000003180 00000 n I never would have guessed. As a result, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust and respect of retailers and home gardeners across the country. I dont care if we lose Monsanto varieties. Pupilla - I just saw this response. and that concluded the discussion, Ed and I had. I support first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness when evaluating any product. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. As should every living person on the earth. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? And I wonder if anyone has thought of trying to convince shareholders to stop supporting Big Agriculture? They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 As consumers, we have to bear the brunt of the responsibility for that. 0000002085 00000 n How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? Especially, that you take offense that I said you misquoted me. He has lots of info on this and related subjects. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. I'll stick with the friendly, who actually care online seed companies. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. 0000510000 00000 n Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. Rodney - PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. As to questioning your intentions - I had reason to question your intentions, what do you call this statement you made? It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. Maybe it was her fault for misunderstanding something or maybe it was the fault of whatever she read, but the fact is that all the vague (or downright inaccurate), sensationalist, and/or fear mongering information regarding GMO's and Monsanto that is out there is not really helping anything. But you claim that you do. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. (all are Big ag GMO producers). Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. As tedious as it is, I would like to get this right. Huh? [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. Really, using B/Hollywood or wherever it was made a "reliable" source of information scares me about your concept of reliability. I quote your response to them: "Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. Shop from our collection of high quality, non-GMO vegetables seeds and grow your very own garden vegetables. False is false. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? After the material costs, Monsanto get about $0.02 per year from me and it probably costs them $0.03. We all want this, right? Ferry-Morse Vegetable & Herb Seeds at Lowes.com In 1981, the Ferry-Morse Seed Company was acquired by France's Groupe Limagrain. I would like a list of seed companies that Monsanto owns so I can avoid them. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. ". Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed companies in the United States, having been in continuous operation since 1856! Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. You disagreed that I said "a better understanding of an issue was gotten, simply by 'getting the word out'", which was not what I said. If you are attempting to correct something that you believe is misleading about someone's post, than do so. I vote with my pennies, just as you do with yours. What can I personally do about it? If you can tell their ideology from the title, it probably isn't. Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. 0000519175 00000 n There is no question I want a conventionally bred product by a smaller company if there is a real choice, because it keeps conventional breeding strong and competitive and goes against the trends of consolidation which large companies represent. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. Im not an expert on Monsanto. I had no intention of starting a GMO discussion. If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. I guess, the long past resolved discussion of the inaccuracy of the original link was relevant. I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. It's a coop. Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. Pupilla, if you didnt intend to discuss GMO, then I cannot understand why you would enter the conversation and object to a boycott of GMO seed companies. Ferry-Morse Home Gardening - Home - Facebook 0000510282 00000 n And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. I don't know that I agree with your position. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold the soil which, as it turns out, creates a well-aerated pot for healthy root growth. How did you come to this conclusion? As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? Ferry-Morse. Since 1897, gardeners have trusted American Seed to provide the best value in the marketplace. Our favorite bit of history is that SUPERthrive was used in Disneyland Parks opening in 1955 to keep the new landscaping alive in the 100 degree summer weather. Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 That is the scariest part to me too. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, West Milford Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Ilchester Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Suffern Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers. I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. I don't see much else other than getting frustrated. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? [3] Ferry built a new warehouse, and by 1890 was doing over a million and a half dollars in business annually. The list isn't just what companies are actually owned by Monsanto, but it also includes seed companies that simply sell some Seminis seed. In the end, I think it is rather ridiculous to toss the entire biotech industry based on the fact that bad things have happened. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever. All McKenzie seeds are 100% Non-GMO. On time delivery of my seeds.
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